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Post by Lissa on Mar 2, 2015 16:17:25 GMT -5
For my game this weekend I'm thinking of doing either JK9++ or this 9-player ++ style setup I was messing around with a few weeks ago, depending on how many people sign up. Does this look decent?
Generate 3 numbers 1-100.
1-20 = W
21-40 = X
41-60 = Y
61-100 = Z
W: Tracker
WW: Follower
WWW: Role Cop + Tracker
X: Friendly Neighbor
XX: Friendly Neighborizer
XXX: 2 Masons
Y: Doctor
YY: Jailkeeper
YYY: Jailkeeper + Doctor
0 Z: Mafia Goon + Mafia JOAT (1-Shot Strongman + 1-Shot Role Cop)
Z: 2 Mafia Goons
ZZ: 2 Mafia Goons + Strawberry Townie
ZZZ: Mafia Goon + Mafia Unrequited Lover or possibly just "Reroll if you get ZZZ"
Notes on Follower:
Role Cop = investigative
Doctor = protective
Roleblocker = manipulative
Friendly Neighbor/izer = miscellaneous
It's a bit unfeasible to try to make every possibility perfectly balanced, but do you see any glaring problems here? Broken or super one sided combos? Does it look like a fun setup to play?
I'm a little worried WWW and YYY might be townsided. Is that unfounded or should I tweak them?
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Post by Börk Börk on Mar 2, 2015 16:38:35 GMT -5
This is a neat game plan.
I feel like the JK/Doc combo could potentially get problematic à la last game. Maybe a faith healer could work instead? Or a CPR doctor, although that could potentially end the game a little too quickly.
Does the role cop get 'vanilla' for both townies and goons? Or do they get the full role?
If it's the latter then may I suggest replacing the tracker with a voyeur (sees actions performed on a player) or journalist (sees if the player performed an action that night).
I don't mean to sound nitpicky, as I do like this setup. I hope I'm not coming across like that. I like this setup, it works well for smaller games like the general game sizes we get now.
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Post by Lissa on Mar 2, 2015 19:47:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I was worried about something like last game happening with that combo, but I wasn't sure how to fix it. I wasn't sure if the 1-shot strongman was enough. Faith healer is a possibility. I dunno, I'm not sure I like the random chance aspect of that. And CPR doc is interesting but yeah, might result in too many kills and swing it in the opposite direction. What about bodyguard, might that work? Or maybe even babysitter - though that might present the same issues CPR doc has, and I'm not sure if it quite fixes it anyway. Budyguard seems like it'd work well balance wise, but I'm not sure how liked of a role that is. Role cop just gets role, not alignment. So they get vanilla for both VTs and goons. And you don't sound nitpicky. I appreciate the feedback.  |
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Post by Lissa on Mar 3, 2015 22:00:20 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this a little.
Y: Faith Healer + Faith Healer
YY: Jailkeeper
YYY: Jailkeeper + Faith Healer
I put 2 Faith Healers for one Y mostly because I don't want them to be able to tell immediately which tier they're in (eta: this looks weird, I mean that's why I changed the Doc in this idea), and also just one Faith Healer doesn't seem like enough for tier one when there was a Doc there before. Does that make sense? Does this look like it'd work?
The Faith Healer in YYY also seems like it'd be pretty likely to end up useless, given its chance of failing and a potential block by the JK and a potential strongman. I dunno.
Another option I just thought of is making either Doc or JK Weak. I'm not sure if that would work well, or if so which would be better. That might just be swingy and potentially make it worse for scum, though, actually. So maybe not that.
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Post by Lissa on Mar 5, 2015 21:35:34 GMT -5
I think the strongman should be enough to counter the protective roles and the faith healer would be a little too ineffectual, so I'm keeping it as is for this game. If it's found at some point that that setup is problematic, I'll change it. |
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Post by Lissa on Mar 5, 2015 21:41:58 GMT -5
Generate 3 numbers 1-100. 1-20 = W 21-40 = X 41-60 = Y 61-100 = Z W: Tracker WW: Follower WWW: Role Cop + Tracker X: Friendly Neighbor XX: Friendly Neighborizer XXX: 2 Masons Y: Doctor YY: Jailkeeper YYY: Jailkeeper + Doctor 0 Z: Mafia Goon + Mafia JOAT (1-Shot Strongman + 1-Shot Role Cop) Z: 2 Mafia Goons ZZ: 2 Mafia Goons + Strawberry Townie ZZZ: Reroll Notes on Follower: Role Cop = investigative Doctor = protective Friendly Neighbor/izer = miscellaneous Factional Kill = killing To clarify, this is the setup that is being used in the current game. |
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